Massacre Rant

June 17th, 2009 | Posted by Smithers at 9:27 am in Race/Ride Report |

Last night was the final race of the State Fair criterium series and it was one for the true tuff riders. Rain and more rain. Plus the temps were kinda of on the cool side.

Ped and I decided to maximize the suffering and ride to the race. We had been riding to the previous events and it has been making for a great day of training. I have been ended up with 75-85 miles on the bike by the end of the evening.

If we had known what the weather was going to do we may not have ridden, but the rain did not start in earnest until Ped and I started to make our way over to Falcon Heights. Pouring rain and even some lightening and thunder made the commute to the race interesting, but upon arrival we were warmed up and ready to go.

Unfortunately we still had about 20 minutes before the race started and we both had the full blown shakes before our race started. It was warm enough that a half a dozen warm up laps got rid of the chills and we were set to go.

I was kinda hoping that the pace would be easy to start with. The Nature Valley Grand Prix just ended last Sunday and I thought that the fast guys would either be cooked from the racing or stay away from the rain. No such luck. The pace was blasting fast from the start.

The rain kept on coming, in fact it seemed to come down even harder throughout the race. Water was pooling in the road at various points on the course making things so wet that my brakes were almost totally useless.

The lack of braking ability does not have to be a problem if you are racing with accomplished cyclists, which was the case for the most part last night. The speed is high, but guys who have been racing for 15 or 20 years know how to approach a corner and take the turn at speed, usually making braking totally unnecessary. It’s fantastic, you line out and set up the turn, follow the wheel of the rider in front of you, come in and out of the apex with no change in speed and just keep the hammer down. Even with riders right next to you, if everyone knows what they are doing there should be no problems.

However, problems arise when you have individuals who don’t know what they are doing. They setup the turn wrong, come in off line, cut in front of riders at a different speed or a different approach line and generally and royally screw things up. The best case scenario is that they create a gap that has to be shut down once you come out of the turn. The worst case is that they actually ride into you.

There were some younger riders from a development team at the race last night who seem to be more interested in developing a reputation for their poor riding skills than developing into better riders. One of these guys actually knocked Ped off his bike last night. This followed repeated requests by Ped to pay attention to what was going on and make attempts to ride safer. This individuals response to Ped before the crash was to sass off about his riding skill and his response to Ped following the crash was an offer to fight it out right there on the road. This individual obviously had no clue regarding his lack of riding technique. Once he was put back into the race following his neutral lap I watching him continue to take bad lines through the corners and at one point cause three riders from the Synergy Team to take evasive action to avoid crashing into him following the chicane section of the course. This individual then bailed out of the race forcing me to shut down the gap that his actions caused.

I am all for development teams and working to get new riders into the sport. But a bike race is not a class room. We are out there to have fun and compete but most of us have job and families to get home to following the race. I can’t afford to be laid up for a week (or worse) because someone is way in over their head.

Copping an attitude about your lack of experience is just adding insult to injury. When I was learning the sport and some dude yelled at me to “hold my line” I was so intimidated that I would immediately drop to the back of the field, get the hell out of the way and try and figure out what I was doing wrong. The last thing I would think to do when someone barked at me in a race is to make derogatory comments about the dudes mom. WTF!? Being an accomplished cyclist is more than just being fit enough to ride around with the fast guys. If you can’t actually keep control of your bike then you should spend a bit less time “training” and a bit more time learning technique.

So anyhoo, the race split up into three groups and I found myself in the back group. No surprise there. At one point before the second split Timmer recognized what was happening and moved to the front. Timmer has been around long enough to read a race and I have been around long enough to know that Timmer knows what he is doing. I should have tried to get on his wheel went he moved up but I just sat there and watched him ride away. I’m not saying I could have gone with him, but it would have been more satisfying to try. Oh well. It’s fun racing with a guy like Timmer because, more often than not, he puts himself in the right place to be successful. Scott Flanders is like that too. These guys have been around so long and raced so many times that they have literally seen it all. If you can keep up with them it’s not a bad strategy to just ride around keeping track of these guys and just do what they do, if you can.

Following the “A” race there was another event before the “B” race. I was considering doubling up but following the end of the first race I started to cool down pretty quick so Ped and I decided to bail out and head home.

I got home just in time for my wife to hand me a can of Progresso soup and state “bon appetit!” I enjoyed chicken and wild rice with a side of Cheez-Its. Très bien and merci.

  1. 22 Responses to “Massacre Rant”

  2. By donimator at 10:26 am on Jun 17, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    sounds like team HUP clearly has no respect in the peleton.

  3. By wah at 10:59 am on Jun 17, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    old guys vs. young guys…get used to it

  4. By Smithers at 11:05 am on Jun 17, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    @wah: so says the guy to pussified to ride in a little rain…

  5. By Steven at 1:09 pm on Jun 17, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    My question is, how does someone who doesn’t know how to race get to be a Cat 1/2/3?

  6. By timmer at 1:10 pm on Jun 17, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    thanks man.. and good rant.. the rain wasn’t an issue at all for cornering.. it was a safe but you are right. where has the development gone? i couldn’t beleive what i was seeing.. i’d flick guys through on the inside on turns and they’d follow me wide and take their pull.. on the outside..

    coupled with my pace line rant a few weeks back there seems to be a demand for an advanced class/clinic for cornering, pacelining, cross winds, race and team tactics, etc.. and a lot of cat 2s could learn from it.. A LOT..

  7. By Smithers at 1:21 pm on Jun 17, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    @Steven: ask those who make upgrade decisions…I suspect that these guys ride away from a 4/5 field and then get upgraded to 3’s without ever learning how to control their bike.

    @timmer: there seems to be a demand for an advanced class/clinic

    there is a need for this but those who need the lesson would be least likely to enroll!

  8. By Steven at 1:23 pm on Jun 17, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    coupled with my pace line rant a few weeks back there seems to be a demand for an advanced class/clinic for cornering, pacelining, cross winds, race and team tactics, etc.. and a lot of cat 2s could learn from it.. A LOT..

    Sweet, where do we sign up? ;-) I have to agree with Smithers; the issue here is less the inexperience and more the attitude. I remember taking a bad line at the Dakota Crit a few years ago and getting yelled at. I apologized and learned, rather than challenging someone to a fight on the playground. In this case, though, it sounds like the attitude of many at that age.

  9. By timmer at 2:49 pm on Jun 17, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    ok then, no more Mr nice guy!! ;-)

  10. By wah at 4:21 pm on Jun 17, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    This Guy?
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/miniportfolio/sets/72 157619772837271/show/

    There is a need to teach and give clinics and it is our responsibility to give back. We can bitch about the riders all day long, but if we are not teaching them then we can only bitch. If the dev team sucks then let’s step up and help them.

    I wasn’t there because I am pussified to ride in the rain. I can’t afford a crash that could cause me to miss work or take care of my kid.

    I learned my lessons starting out, I got yelled at and made sure to go to a bunch of group rides to learn the ropes and I got on GIS and learned from Smithers, Ped, ScottERob and the other legends

  11. By Smithers at 5:13 pm on Jun 17, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    @wah: If the dev team sucks then let’s step up and help them.

    #1 Isn’t that why they have a coach?

    #2 Did you read the part where this dude was not at all interested in listening to feedback? What is the point in talking to a brick wall?

    There are more than plenty of opportunities to go out and learn how to ride away from racing. If one is not interested in leaning the ropes on a group ride before racing then they deserve to get barked at in the race. And if they crash out someone and show up at another race? Call them out as dangerous to the other riders.

  12. By Family Ties at 10:24 pm on Jun 17, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    Maybe the organizational structure of Category advancement needs updating. Make riders take technique clinics for certification b4 allowing advancement in the next category.

  13. By Jake Stechmann at 8:04 am on Jun 18, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    I’m assuming the guys on the dev team are younger. If this is the case, I think the problem is with their generation. When I started racing I did the weekly group rides in Red Wing to learn from the guys (mostly cat 3s and 4s) who new more than me. After that, I joined Flanders to learn from Scott (and a little from Timmer).

    I have 15 people working for me, and most are from a younger generation (I’m 30). For the most part they feel like everything should be given to them without them earning it, including respect.

  14. By EmilyB at 9:02 am on Jun 18, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    i agree @ Jake Stechmann

    these are the same kids (or will be soon) that annoy you at work.

    throw them in a competitive arena with you — it’s not going to get better. ever.

  15. By Buckeye Rider at 9:06 am on Jun 18, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    Plain and simple, dispense with all the “team” bs until you’re a Cat Two or above, join a real club and learn how to race/ride a bike as an individual, then you can become a jaded know it all on a supposed “team”.

  16. By Little d at 9:40 am on Jun 18, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    This is what happens when you don’t keep score in soccer.

  17. By title ix at 10:32 am on Jun 18, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    This same “development team” has also asked for the USAC local association to use money from the general fund to purchase deep dish carbon wheels for them. Apparently so that said wheels can be used to crash on.

  18. By Bob Schwartz at 12:10 pm on Jun 18, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    You guys aren’t thinking outside of the box.

    Have timmer run a clinic on advanced topics in bike racing. Have Tilford run a clinic on shit-chopping.

    That way the guys that go to the clinic will have the tools to deal with the guys that don’t.

  19. By Buckeye Rider at 4:26 pm on Jun 18, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    @Bob Schwartz:
    Oh yeah, that’s good, very good!

  20. By Steven at 9:07 pm on Jun 18, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    Buzz pic.

  21. By Baba at 10:44 pm on Jun 20, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    @wah: I think it’s pretty obvious who the perp is, by the way he can’t hold his bike steady even while he is being held to reenter the race.

  22. By dave at 4:42 pm on Jun 21, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    Has anyone contacted the team and the coach? Where are the officials when you have riders calling each other out ? Why are they allowing the behavior? Seriously – why is a rider not DQ’d for this behavior. I haven’t read a rule book on the subject, but If you are crashing in a race – why would they be allowed a free lap ?

  23. By Lalla at 8:09 am on Jun 22, 2009 | Comment | ReplyReply directly to this specific comment

    If I know Dag… The kid will get a good talking to. But he really wanted to fight? Not a good way to make friends. I think Ped would have showed him a few things there too.

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